I have two of these chairs and primarily use them for 4WD touring and kayaking. After being initially skeptical they are now the only chairs I carry and use and can highly recommend them, albeit with 1 small caveat. Purchase the optional Trekology sand mat base also. Irrespective of the surface you intend to use them on it will give you added stability and strength. The sand mat base adds very little weight and can be packed into the bag with the chair easily.